The Conspiracy Copout

Stop fretting about conspiracies - they don't matter.

From time to time, people across the political spectrum observe the bizarre nature of modern politics and leap to the conclusion that there are sinisterly concealed dark forces at work.  Hillary Clinton spoke of the "vast right-wing conspiracy"; paranoid "Truther" types claim that Bush and the CIA were really behind the 9-11 attacks; so-called "Birthers" believe that Obama was born in Kenya and is thus ineligible to be President.

These beliefs are impervious to either facts or logic.  If the right-wing conspiracy was so vast, how is that that Bill Clinton was resoundingly re-elected and is still our most popular living ex-President?  If 9-11 was a government inside job, how come so many fairly high-ranking government workers, their good friends and relatives, were immolated when the Towers fell?  How did a heavily-pregnant 18-year-old who was effectively a single mother with no income manage to get from Hawaii to a backwards African country in the 1960s, give birth to her firstborn under primitive conditions, then whiz home again, in a few weeks?

We could go on all day trying to disprove conspiracy theories, but that's a fool's errand.  There have always been conspiracies throughout history, most of which fail, and a handful of which succeed.  That's not the point.

What we need to understand are that conspiracies real or imagined are irrelevant.

Conspiracy theories may be true, they may be false, but as far as real-world effects, they serve only as excuses for ordinary people as to why they didn't do what needed to be done or accomplish their goal.

What's worse, by misdirecting popular outrage, conspiracy theories often harm the innocent and make matters worse.

Struggling Against Invisible Hands

Consider one of the great conspiracy theories of history: that of Germany's "stab in the back" at the end of World War 1.  As many Germans saw the war, their nation had been on the verge of victory.

After all, they'd struggled through four years of a two-front fight, holding practically the entire world at bay, until finally they forced one front, Russia, under Lenin's new revolutionary government, to sue for peace.

If nothing else, that would free up the half of their army that had been fighting on the Eastern front.  Whisk them over to the Western Front, doubling the forces there, and surely England and France were doomed - simple math.

Instead, German forces and the economy collapsed; Germany was humiliated in the Treaty of Versailles, which imposed intentionally debilitating financial and territorial penalties.  This illogical result could only have been the result of a high-level betrayal - not by German royalty, of course, but by Jewish financiers and labor agitators who withdrew their help at the worst possible time.  Treason!

This view comes from a faulty understanding of modern war.  Yes, Germany's peace with Russia freed plenty of soldiers, but German industry and their sources of raw materials were drained.  Germany could barely bring their army a thousand miles across Europe from one front to the other, they couldn't resupply their soldiers and equip them for victory.

The Allies, on the other hand, had just been joined by the world's largest industrial power, the United States.  The "arsenal of democracy" made all the difference at a crucial time, no betrayals required.

Yet vast numbers of Germans, including one Adolf Hitler, devoutly believed in the "stab in the back" conspiracy.  They never said "uncle," so WW 1 wasn't really over in their hearts.  When the economy collapsed and ordinary civilians lost everything, Hitler's angry speeches gave Germans an outlet for their fury and disappointment.

Six million Jews and thirty million other people later, what was left of Germany realized that antisemitism and militarism wasn't quite the answer they'd been looking for - but at what cost!

The utter destruction of Germany in World War 2 persuaded the Germans to say "uncle."  They admitted they'd lost so the war was over.

The Japanese could have responded as the Germans did after WW 1.  By 1942, the Japanese government controlled the richest half of China as well as the western half of the Pacific.  Their soldiers were well dug-in on fortified islands.  Surely only a treasonous conspiracy could have led to total Japanese defeat and destruction by 1945?

Of course not.  The Japanese gave it their best shot - the Yankees had to call the power of the sun down on their heads to defeat them - but they knew they'd been whupped fair and square.  Rather than thirst for revenge, they concentrated on building wealth through trade under the increasingly friendly overlordship of the United States.  Today, the government of Japan and the overwhelming majority of Japanese are good friends of America and Americans; tiny Japan is one of the world's leading economies even after twenty years of stagnation due to political fecklessness and incompetence.  The Japanese people are as well-off and comfortable as anyone, the odd natural disaster aside.

Rather than look for solutions, the suffering Germans of the 1920s and 1930s looked for blame and revenge; this misguided quest for the unattainable led them through an even worse hell.  The Japanese of the late 1940s and 1950s could have done the same, but instead of looking for conspiracies, they concentrated on fixing problems and on moving forward.  The WW 2 Germans, wiser than their fathers, did the same; they've been phenomenally successful as well.

Human Limits Apply to the Powerful, Too

Our current economic struggles make it all too easy to blame a secret cabal of the rich and powerful who steal from all of us.  It doesn't matter who's elected, goes this theory; the wealthy always win out.

Phooey!  Bernie Madoff was wealthy and now he's in jail.  Jeffery Skilling of Enron fame is in jail.  Both their sons committed suicide from shame; that wasn't part of the master plan.

Should there be more rich people in prison?  Of course - many wealthy felons sit in Congress this very day.  There are plenty of poor people walking the streets who should be in prison too, and no few of both classes whom the world would be better off without.

Are rich people trying to get your money?  Of course they are - that's the whole point.  How do you think they or their parents got rich in the first place?  For that matter, we'd like to take your money, or anyone else's - wouldn't you like to take ours?  So would poor people.  They go for it in a more blunt fashion, which is why we believe in Second Amendment rights.

Are powerful people trying to get more powerful?  Of course they are!  So are we, though we're notably less successful, sad to say.

The fact of the matter is, for every rich and powerful person who is trying to become richer and more powerful, there are other rich and powerful people who are trying to do the same, and a host of people who aren't rich and powerful but would like to be.  Some of them make it - who had heard of Sarah Palin or the Google Guys twenty years ago?  Most don't.

Yes, there are "conspiracies" of a sort, by people who share the same worldview.  As we've explored in the past, when you get so rich that you can buy anything, you start to pursue the things that can't be bought, like power over other people.

That's why our government's reach has tended to grow and our freedom to shrink: it's the desire of everyone in power to get more power, and it's easier to steal it from the little people than to fight their peers for it.  Conspiracy?  No, just self-interest.

Again, there are open conspiracies you can poke your little finger through if you want to bother, like the "global warming" scam.  Anybody who spends five minutes in logical thought, much less in research, knows it's a lie; it's pure propaganda.  The only conspiracy is on the part of the media whose interest lies in assisting in the scam, but even there, it's not a very effective conspiracy anymore.

The fact is, there are too many unpredictable people and uncontrollable events on this earth to operate and maintain a successful long-term conspiracy.  "Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead."  If it were possible to truly and effectively cover up high crimes, don't you think Richard Nixon would have?

Doom, Despair, and Agony On Me

Why, then, are so many conspiracy theories?  There's a very good and logical reason: believing in a conspiracy theory permits laziness.

If Mr. Obama is deliberately destroying our economy merely because the media lied and fools voted for him, then we can readily fix the problem with a lot of hard work: get out there with the truth, buttonhole our neighbors, proselytize, convert and persuade.  After all, that's what the other side does through their multifarious outlets in media, academia, and everywhere else; what worked for them will work for us if we work as hard and long at it as they have.  Over time, having the truth on our side will be an advantage, but only if we put in the necessary elbow grease.

If, on the other hand, Mr. Obama was placed on the throne by a secret all-powerful cabal of super-rich insiders who routinely arrange accidents, coincidences, appropriate media coverage, and anything else they need - what can we do?  We can't; we may as well just throw up our hands and go back to leading our humdrum little lives, making them as comfortable as we can before the End Comes.

Which way is easier?  The second, of course; complaining costs nothing.  Doing something requires work and sacrifice; no fun in the doing.

We've seen this with the Tea Party.  The Tea Party has leaders, but no Leader; it came into existence spontaneously, the expression of the anger and frustration of ordinary Americans.  Yet in less than two short years, it managed to replace an overwhelmingly left-Democrat Congress with a new Republican majority, a fair few of which actually appear to believe and practice in Republican values.  Who'd've thunk it?

Comes now the response, "Sure, the parties have switched, but everything's still the same.  You didn't change anything!  You've been gulled by the Powers That Be into thinking you have!"

Balderdash!  Yes, Republicans are squishes; they haven't cut spending nearly as much as we'd wish, but they rammed through the largest spending cuts in our nation's history.  To say they've accomplished nothing is nonsense.  At the very least, they have blocked some of Mr. Obama's excesses and the Tea Party is demanding that they do more.

If you truly believe that some shadowy mastermind maneuvered Mr. Obama in, then maneuvered the Tea Party to control him, and that all we see is puppets on strings... then there's nothing any of us can do.  We're just along for the ride.

We here at Scragged refuse to believe this.  Powerful people will conspire and maneuver as they may; so will the little folks, and so will we.  Nobody knows the future, not even Harold Camping; as Henry Wadsworth Longfellow wrote:

Lives of great men all remind us
We can make our lives sublime,
And, departing, leave behind us
Footprints on the sands of time.

We, like all men and women, would like to grow our feet and leave bigger footprints.  Should anyone in the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, or the Directorate of the New World Order like to invite us to join the team, we can be reached at  Operators are standing by!  We accept checks, cash, or wire transfers, but we really prefer a nice stack of gold bars if it's all the same to you.

So much for conspiracies.  But now that you mention it, was Mr. Obama really born in Hawaii?  It's certainly more amusing to think about that than, say, thinking about the deficit.

Is watching conspiracy theorists merely another form of entertainment?  Sure seems that way - must be a conspiracy to keep us looking in the wrong direction!

Petrarch is a contributing editor for Scragged.  Read other articles by Petrarch or other articles on Society.
Reader Comments


Finally, someone says it - ENOUGH of all the conspiracy theories.

Concentrate on the obvious problems like our out-of-control spending and then libs who are shoving it down our throats.

Conservatives need to kick any trace of "birther" nonsense to the curb and disown any political leader that continues wasting time on it.

June 3, 2011 9:30 AM

You forgot to mention the Order of the Elders of Zion! What good conspiricist could possibly omit that nefarious group! :)
As the man said, "The total absence of evidence is proof that the conspiracy is working"! How can you argue with that?

June 3, 2011 9:38 AM

"Why, then, are so many conspiracy theories? There's a very good and logical reason: believing in a conspiracy theory permits laziness."

Yes. Well said.

June 3, 2011 9:39 AM

So when Beck and O'Reilly go off about George Soros...?

June 3, 2011 10:13 AM

"So much for conspiracies."

Let's see, a ramble through the bramble and a declaration of victory as if anything was clearly proven or even clearly presented.

And then the breathless choir shouts in joy {grin} seriously, I thought there may be something here worth commenting on when I saw the title, but it is a lot of noise and heat that ends up nowhere.

Don't expect a call from Cass Sunstein any time soon. Even he expects some form of cohesion from his PR team.

June 3, 2011 12:14 PM

Take one issue for instance:
"The Allies, on the other hand, had just been joined by the world's largest industrial power, the United States. The "arsenal of democracy" made all the difference at a crucial time, no betrayals required."~Petrarch

Well, how is it that the United States happened to join in on this “European War”? The vast majority of the American people were opposed to involvement. Woodrow Wilson was elected president on promises to keep the nation out of the conflict.

Petrarch gives no accounting for this, as in the rest of the article he simply tiptoes through the tulips plucking petals and cheerfully chant's “a conspiracy—a conspiracy not” and “no betrayals required."

And yet betrayals indeed were at hand, not just for Germany, but for the people of the United States who wanted nothing to do with the war “over there”.

The characterization that Germany was loosing the war up to the point of 1916 is absolute balderdash.

World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. on one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.

Within two years Germany had won that war: not alone won it nominally, but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to the world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean, and Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, stood there with one week's food supply facing her -- and after that, starvation.

At that time, the French army had mutinied. They lost 600,000 of the flower of French youth in the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was defecting. And the Italian army had collapsed.

Summer of 1916 not a shot had been fired on the German soil. Not an enemy soldier had crossed the border into Germany. And yet, Germany was offering England peace terms.

The Zionists in London went to the British war cabinet and they said: “ You can yet win this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to accept the negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this war if the United States will come in as your ally.”
“We will guarantee to bring the United States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine after you win the war.”

This is the genesis of the "Balfour Agreement", which is in fact simply a letter written to Lord Rothschild in Balfour's hand. It has no authority of the British state behind is simply a "backroom deal"
Of course whether one characterizes such "deals" as 'conspiracy' or simply lazy people who just happen to have not idea of what is really going on in the councils of power, is the question.

June 3, 2011 1:36 PM

I have a conspiracy theory. My conspiracy theory is that the various Zionist groups (both Christian and Jewish) who use their influence to keep the US acting in Israel's interests (sometimes in opposition to its own) promote crackpot conspiracy theories that they know most people will ignore because they're too convoluted and ridiculous. If enough of these crackpot theories are bandied about, they will nullify any ability criticize the situation based on actual facts, because anyone critical of US unconditional support of Israel will automatically be labelled a crackpot or worse.

Plots within plots within plots!

June 3, 2011 2:50 PM

The enemies of truth, freedom, and justice are highly mobilized, well funded, and efficiently organized.

The institutional structures of power, whether local, national or global, are effective mechanisms through which the ruling groups of society establish and entrench their influence, build consensus among each other, brainwash and expand their control over the masses and society as a whole. Whether they take the form of think tanks, universities, governments, corporations, militaries, intelligence agencies, NGOs, media conglomerates, international organizations, philanthropic foundations, they are institutions of control and conquest.

Whether that conquest is ideological or physical, the effect is the same: the conquered are oppressed and repressed.

These institutions are financed through the global banking system of collusion between the private banks and quasi-governmental central banks, who control the money supply and value of the change in your pocket, which are in fact a highly concentrated group of institutions and individuals. Never in all of human history have so few controlled so much on such a global scale, nor have so many had so little on an equally global scale.

Never before in history have the mechanisms for absolute total global control and oppression been within such close reach. We are seeing the emergence of this 'new society' in which governments are increasingly imperialistic abroad and militaristic at home, as domestic police states are established under the guise of 'homeland security', sold on the pretense of protecting people from terrorists, but in actuality are designed to protect the powerful from the people.

Increasingly, civil rights and freedoms are being dismantled for the wider populations: countries and peoples all around the world are subjected to bombings, drone attacks from flying killer robots in the sky named "Predators", and high-tech military equipment is designed and used to more effectively kill and conquer poor people all around the globe.

In the emerging 'homeland security states', technology is being used to spy on people, all internet traffic monitored, phones tapped, cameras recording not only our images, but through biometrics they are categorizing and quantifying our specific individual faces and emotional responses. We are, increasingly, seeing the emergence of a hybrid nightmarish scenario of 'Brave New World' meets '1984.' Technology has largely facilitated the advances in these areas and has, for the first time in all of human history, made possible the notion of a truly global police state.

June 3, 2011 5:02 PM

The establishment of the "New York branch of the ROYAL INSTITUTE OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS". . . the: COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS

There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Group has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so.

I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments.
I have objected, but in the past and recently, to a few of its policies (notably to its belief that England was an Atlantic rather than a European Power and must be allied, or even federated, with the United States and must remain isolated from Europe), but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wished to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.
The Round Table Groups have already been mentioned in this book several times, notably in connection with the formation of the British Commonwealth in chapter 4 and in the discussion of appeasement in chapter 12 ("the Cliveden Set").
At the risk of some repetition, the story will be summarized here, because the American branch of this organization (sometimes called the "Eastern Establishment") has played a very significant role in the history of the United States in the last generation.

Carroll Quigley: TRAGEDY AND HOPE, Excerpted from pp. 950

Gentlemen, there is more—much more.

I am prepared to give you a complete and detailed accounting of this “conspiracy that neither exists no matters” according to your lollipop theories.

You can choose to remain in denial or you can challenge me to proceed. The choice is yours.


June 3, 2011 6:34 PM

Very well said. Could draw the attention of interested readers to which is remarkably good for a social science journal. There are a number of articles on conspiracy theory and conspiracy theorists currently running. If the name Leon Festinger and "cognitive dissonance" aren't know to you, I recommend some satisfying reading - not too heavy and I don't make a buck from mentioning the journal.

June 3, 2011 8:53 PM

Already on the mailing list. I am an unabashed admirer of scragged as a sane and intellectually credible source for those fed up with the antics of the mainstream media and fringe dwellers on both sides of politics. Keep it going guys.

June 3, 2011 8:55 PM

Thank you Christopher, I am interested in checking out the suggested site.ww

June 3, 2011 8:57 PM

Christopher J. Ward,

I checked out your site. I found it to be sociopolitically naive.

It concentrates on psychological framing and profiling, but is completely unaware of deep forensic history.

Such compartmentalist academia is one of the unfortunate downsides to modern "education".

June 3, 2011 9:39 PM

Willy, you appear to have scratched the surface, but there is more -- so much more. I will show you, providing links.

Of course the Jews manipulated Britain and the US in World War I, having predicted (even caused?) the outcome and resultant WWII. But why? What did the Jews have against Britain in the first place?

The answer lies with a little known group of people who have been practically forgotten by history. These descendents of the original French colony in the New World, the Acadians, are the key to many secrets of the Jews and their current global position, as we shall see.

When they are spoken of at all, the Acadians are typically mentioned as having been ethnically cleansed from their colonial lands by their British governor in 1755. In the deportation (due to starvation, disease, shipwreck, and a variety of other hardships) and subsequent hunting down of escaped Acadians, fully half of their population was killed.

Or were they? Many Acadians survived the deportation, or "Grand Derangement" as they remember it. Many more were never found and verified as dead -- only PRESUMED dead from exposure in the harsh Canadian winter after their homes and foodstores were burned to ash.

What is revealed in this article may shock you:;read=79243

and here:

I quote: "The Acadians, Cathars, Huguenots, Celts, original Israelites, Native Americans, Dogon, Basques, Aussie Aborigines and no doubt others (12 tribes in all), were all *People of the Secret*. They contained within their genes the key DNA to open Stargates..."

As the articles explain, when all 12 bloodlines mingled, the resultant DNA Templars would be capable of opening Stargates from Earth to other planets.

As "People of the Secret", or partial DNA Templars, the Acadians had within them part of the bloodline required to open stargates. What's more, the Acadian community held within it members of most of the other DNA Templar bloodlines, including the Celts, Native Americans, French Huguenots, Basques, and Jews (Israelites). There were no Aborigines, however, nor any known members of at least 3 of the other known bloodlines.

Ordinarily this would mean that Acadians of 1755 would be unable to open stargates, but as we shall see at least one member of the Acadian community must have had enough of the combined bloodlines to open a portal of some sort (a pseudo-stargate), probably triggered by the intense stress brought on by the ethnic cleansing of Le Grand Derangement. This portal would not have been perfect, unable to actually reach another world, but it was far-reaching enough to enable crossing to another part of this planet. Even more importantly, since the distance was not nearly so great as the distance between stars, the chronological conservation mechanism inherent to all stargates would have not been in line with the distance traveled, resulting in the Acadian travelers being thrust backwards in time.

But to where, and when?

Let us pause and consider the following (you might want to sit down before reading this):

The evidence is all there -- the "Semitic stain", the prevalence of Tay-Sachs Disease in the Acadian and Jewish communities... None of this has ever been disputed by any Acadian or Jewish authority, rabbinical or secular. The thing is so.

Our Acadian travelers through time and space ended up in the Middle East, where (being only semi-literate in 1755) they learned the letters and writing of the locals and over time became known -- as the Akkadians.

Akkadian civilization predates that of the Jews, but there is little doubt that Moses and his contemporaries has at least some (and likely a majority) of Akkadian blood in them. Thus, the first Jews -- were Acadians.

More in my next post...

June 3, 2011 10:30 PM

(Previous comment "flagged as spam" -- HMM! Apparently SOME people don't want the TRUTH to get out!)

If you are "allowed" to read this, read on:

In my previous post, I established (including citation of sources never challenged by any authority, rabbinical or otherwise) the true origin of the Jews -- they were descended from Acadians who opened a faulty stargate during the "Great Upheaval" or "Grand Derangement" of 1755 and thereabouts, where half of their population were killed (or presumed dead). These Acadians ended up in the Middle East, where their name became corrupted to "Akkadian" (similar to the corruption effected on those Acadians to migrated to Louisiana, they now being called "Cajuns").

Jews descended from the Akkadian people, and we now see the direct lineage. Further proof exists -- for example, the recent discovery of the ancient Biblical town of Neta'im, known from the Book of Chronicles:

Neta'im being clearly a corruption of the original (and curiously Acadian) French, "nettoiement" -- a masculine noun meaning "an agricultural town".

I could go on but will try to keep this brief.

The simple answer to the question of why the Jews would choose to manipulate events to their benefit and the detriment of Britain is clear. As Acadians, they were brutally crushed by the British in their own history, a fact not unknown to high level scholars of the Kabbalah. The treatment of Britain by the Jews when they had her in their power was partly motivated by a desire to regain their holy land, but also by simple revenge. A similar act played out when George Soros made his billions by devastating manipulation of the British economy. Again I could go on but I am trying for brevity.

This is not the most shocking revelation, either.

You will definitely want to sit down before you read the following. It comes from a Creole website, and it is worth noting that the Creole and Cajun populations of Louisiana are separate and distinct:

A close reading reveals the true nature of the original Acadian settlers, and why they left France in the first place. It was not, as suggested in the Jewlicious article above, because they were crypto-Jews trying to hide from the French authorities... it was far more sinister than that.

They were werewolves.

The modern Jews are descended from Acadian werewolves, hence their predatory nature and their penchant for hiding and living among us -- their "sheep" -- in the most horrifying sense of the word.

I write this knowing full well that it will likely to censored, in fact I am putting my life on the line revealing this information to you and others. But people need to know. They need to know the TRUTH.

June 3, 2011 10:46 PM

No doubt some will dismiss my above posts -- if they are even allowed to read them by the Powers that Be -- as "pure conspiracy". But consider:

The parallels are staggering.

Werewolves.... come out at the full moon. Jews... use a lunar calendar.
Werewolves... are furry. Jews... wear beards.
Werewolves... have big noses and ears. Jews... well, there you go.
Werewolves... are supernatural. Jews... have Kabbalah.
Werewolves... rip out of their clothing when they change. Jews... always know a good tailor.
Werewolves.. are hated by everyone in the village. Jews... are so hated they have to keep to their own village.
Werewolves... will chop you up and eat your liver. Jews... love chopped liver.
Werewolves... killed by silver. Jews... have names like Silverstein and Silverman.

Dear readers, this is no crazy conspiracy theory. This is the TRUTH!

June 3, 2011 10:53 PM

Dr. Ward,

The US system is based on an economy of permanent war. Is this what you would call a society of mentally healthy people?

"..fed up with the antics of the mainstream media and fringe dwellers on both sides of politics."~Doctor

In what, doctor is the paradigm adhered to here different in substance from mainstream media?

"both sides of politics"? So there are only two sides of politics, that is your sub-textual assertion.

What this indicates is that, as "aware and intelligent" you present yourself, you are nevertheless caught within the false paradigm of the Hegelian Dialectic.
The Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative, Republican/Democrat, etc.

And then you use the term "fringe dwellers" in a tacitly ominous tone to describe those who see through the shroud of social engineering which actively generates this false dialectic in its continual cycle of synthesis.


June 3, 2011 11:18 PM

"Dear readers, this is no crazy conspiracy theory. This is the TRUTH!"

Yes undeed, barking moonbat crazy.

But it would make entersting TV.


June 3, 2011 11:21 PM

Whatever Moonbat's motivation for his werewolf post, it fits in perfectly with the Cognitive Dissonance schema of the Sunstein method of interrupting rational commentary, with something unhinged to attempt to relate it to the more rational presentations of other commentators.

While he may be perfectly sincere in his attachment to such ideas, I find the claims ludicrous to the degree of satire, and will have to take it as such, unless Werebat insists he is actually serious.


June 3, 2011 11:36 PM

Perhaps Dr. Ward is familiar with this quote:

"Even a man of high intellect can go badly astray for lack of intuition or feeling."~Jung, Man and His Symbols


June 4, 2011 12:11 AM

With due respect, you have not studied social psychology or the work of Leon Festinger because if you had, you would see how Americans are misled by a quite remarkable range of conspiracy theorists across the board. For your information I have impeccable qualifications in social science amongst other things and a realistic appraisal of what is going on in the world requires familiarity with certain key texts. Apart from Festinger, you could consider reading William Kornhausers “Politics of Mass Society” and he was derided by many, just like Samuel Huntington whose "Clash of Civilizations" was similarly dismissed while the fraudulent overoptimistic proponents of globalization flourished.

I only recommended the social psychology journal site because there was an article about Obama and the birthers - it is not my site, merely one of over 200 that I look at quite regularly and it does not imply endorsement overall. Just before reading your comment, I was unfortunate enough to read an article in the CFP buyer former U.S. Army officer who believes that Obama should be removed from office and will be before the next election. It made me think about viewing “Seven days in May” a classic film of the 1960s which did not get sufficient recognition because it was made in black and white.

June 4, 2011 9:11 AM

Awww, you guys are party poopers! Conspiracy theories are fun, you would have to harsh our buzz with the TRUTH! lol

June 4, 2011 10:52 AM

Dr. Ward,

You say:
“With due respect, you have not studied social psychology or the work of Leon Festinger because if you had, you would see how Americans are misled by a quite remarkable range of conspiracy theorists across the board.”

Doctor, Do you understand the difference in 'theory' and 'proven facts'?

Of course you think you do..because people are biased to think of their choices as correct, despite any contrary evidence.

You claim I have not studied social psychology, and then couple that with “of the work of Leon Festinger”.

This insinuates that if a social psychologist studies the works of others; Reich, Becker, Milgram, Ellul, etc., or even poly-mathematical crossovers such as McLuhan, Bernays, or Lippmann—then that social psychology is without merit, because it is not YOUR notion of of REAL social psychology.

Again, one must in the first place, differentiate between social theory and proven historical fact, before determining what is and is not “conspiracy theory”.
And above and beyond this one must take into account systems science, and structure analysis to discover the actual paradigm one is dealing with.

By the way I am very aware of Samuel Huntington and Brzezinski, and the whole 'clash of civilization' meme.

One often forgets one of the greatest conspiracy theorists of all, Thomas Jefferson, and his famous conspiracy charges against the Crown of England in the 1770s.

Why is this forgotten? Because of the way in which history is framed in a modern Public Relations Regime.


June 4, 2011 1:17 PM

Daniel Shumaker,

" would have to harsh our buzz.."??

Some fancy new new very new Newspeak??

Has nice 'ring' to it but I have no idea what you mean.

June 4, 2011 1:24 PM

Dr. Ward,
And what of your own indicators of ''effort-justification”?

“For your information I have impeccable qualifications in social science..”--doctor

I have detected indicators of comorbidity within just the few comments you have made here.
Of course this really strikes my interest.
Can you tell me more?

“the fraudulent overoptimistic proponents of globalization flourished”--doctor

Your proposition here is one of those the might be cleared up with a deeper study of history through a forensic lens, rather the bubbling around in the 'social theory' meme.
Both Quigley and Antony Sutton can give you hard data to consider, rather than theorizing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
To make this less obtuse; my meaning is the, “head” of the pin is not the “point”.


June 4, 2011 1:45 PM


Notice that no one here has been able to disprove the FACT that Jews are descended from time-traveling Acadian werewolves. Neither has any authority, scientific, historical, rabbinical, or Cajun.

I can see by your surname that you are a Jew, and thus a fellow DNA templar (I am Acadian). It may be that we are simply the only ones capable of seeing the Truth. I would not be surprised.

June 4, 2011 2:30 PM

So Werebat, Are you saying you have a taste for longpork?
Are you suggesting perhaps that "we humans" exterminate you and your kind as vermin?

Or perhaps a padded cell. Lol

June 4, 2011 3:03 PM

Werebat says "...I can see by your surname that you are a Jew, and thus a fellow DNA templar..."

My Muskogee Creek (Native American) parents will be very surprised to learn that they mysteriously gave birth to a Jew.

June 4, 2011 5:15 PM

Alright, lets cut to the chase:
Unconstitutional government secrecy means the government itself is a conspiracy under any definition of the word you may find.
So there is an official 'government' conspiracy which has brought the despotism that the founding generation of this nation warned it would.

It is that simple it is that clear if you understand real history, rather that the lollipop crank taught by modern academiacs and entertainment.

Any who cannot grasp that the National Security Act of 1947 laid an 'iron curtain' over the activities of the central government, can hardly be expected to perceive that the PATRIOT Act is simply a 'doubling-up' of that same conspiracy to rule by fiat and decree.

Most ominously, entire sections of the Patriot Act are verbatim and identical to two of the most frightening laws in World History:

• The 1929 Bolshevik Communist Criminal Act established Communist control in the age of Joseph Stalin. It created a security apparatchik unparalleled in its intrusion into the lives of ordinary, non-political families. For enforcement, it created the Gulags, which quickly filled with intellectuals and dissidents, poets and hard luck Russian people who got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was enough for a neighbor to point a finger secretly for that individual to disappear to the Siberian work camps for life. Secret charges, secret evidence, secret accusations figured prominently— identical to the Patriot Act.

• It’s hard to say if that’s worse than Germany’s Enabling Act in 1933. Such comforting words, “the Enabling Act” established the legal framework for Nazi Fascism. The Enabling Law lay the parameters for the Third Reich of Adolph Hitler.

The US is there NOW—it is upon our heads NOW.

This is the most technologically powerful and complete totalitarian regime to ever threaten the people and their freedoms in all of known history. This is a Panoptic Maximum Security State.
An YOU are an inmate.

You had all better wake up now, or forever hold your voice.

June 4, 2011 6:28 PM

You're right ww.

The Dad Burn Gummit has always been a conspiracy by the elite to rule us. They divide and conquer by giving their 2nd and 3rd tier minions better shares than us peasants get and hope to keep them loyal enough to protect themselves from us.

The guards in the gulag lived lousy, but it was enough better than the way the prisoners lived that the guards were willing to keep the prisoners in.

Generally works for a while. History is silk slippers going downstairs while hobnailed boots charge up.

June 4, 2011 9:26 PM

Bertrand Russell saw it coming. He saw a world in which "any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible".

June 4, 2011 10:19 PM


Muskogee Creek are also DNA Templars, so it's all good.

June 5, 2011 1:59 AM


Notice that many (if not most) of the "People of the Secret" have suffered attempts at extermination over the years. Notice how they are all still around. Now why do you suppose that is?

June 5, 2011 2:04 AM


It's a numbers game shellack. The odds, the only unique people to go totally extinct were the Tazmanian. Not through extermination by the Europeans/Other--but because they simply stopped procreating as a purposeful religious reaction to the coming of this outside messenger.

If you think I am going to buy your wombat jabberat, you are seriously wrong.
I suppose nothing is totally impossible--but things of this nature would take a personal experience for me to buy it.
Same thing with aliens. I'll have to meet one before I'll accept it.

I am giving you a rational answer as though you are a rational person. I am having my doubts about that.

June 5, 2011 6:23 AM


The Canaanites once fought the Jews over their land. Today, there are no Canaanites, only Jews. So your theory is disproved.

Mine, however, still stands unassailable.

June 5, 2011 9:05 AM

"If enough of these crackpot theories are bandied about, they will nullify any ability criticize the situation based on actual facts, because anyone critical of US unconditional support of Israel will automatically be labelled a crackpot or worse."~Werebat

And so you are putting your Sunstienian Hasbarat theory to work here aye Werebot? Spilling as much drivel and garbage as you possibly can to defuse anything that makes sense.

Using your post of June 3, 2011 2:50 PM as evidence I will accuse you point blank of the charge of purposeful disruption of the most jejune manner. The werewolf crank nonsense is nothing but pouring mud in the water.
Anyone with the slightest intelligence can see through you.
You are a fraud and a shill, and frankly not a very good one.

June 5, 2011 12:59 PM


I think, Willy, that you are getting personal. You realize, I hope, that when you do that, you have lost the argument in the eyes of others. You write a lot of very good points. Tf you had any more points, you would post them as in the past. When you switch from attacking the points to attacking the person, it makes me think you have run out of points to post. If you are out of points, you lose the argument, IMO.

June 5, 2011 3:45 PM

First of all Fred,
I certainly haven't run out of points. I haven't even started.
But to continue here in light of the crickets--that utter lack of response from the author or any of the supporters of this article, it seems moot to go on.
As per Werebat, as I pointed out, he himself warned, "If enough of these crackpot theories are bandied about..." of the technique that he then put together to smudge the thread with.

Pointing this out is valid considering the existance of the Sunstein debunking crew that is fully in the public knowledge base.
The Sunstein operation and the Hasbara operations are extremely important points of information if one is to understand the paradigm we are submerged in here.

If you fully understand argumentum ad hominem, you will note that it is not always considered a false argument. It merely meand 'to the man'.
If this man truly represents the characterization that the ad hominem charges it is NOT a false argument. Misconceptions about this abound.

June 5, 2011 4:40 PM

I will make this final point, unless I am confronted with some sort of feedback from the author, the editors, or Dr. Ward; all who have remained silent as to the points made to them.
This is one of the clumsiest attempts at debunking “conspiracy theory” I have ever come across. It in fact scrags the reader, which must be why the site it is posted on is named 'Scragged': Slang to choke or wring the neck of; hang; throttle; garrote.

This article from Wikipedia is at the end of the article for reference;
The stab-in-the-back legend (German: Dolchstoßlegende (help·info)) is the notion, widely believed in right-wing circles in Germany after 1918, that the German Army did not lose World War I but was instead betrayed by the civilians on the home front, especially the republicans who overthrew the monarchy. Advocates denounced the German government leaders who signed the Armistice on November 11, 1918, as the "November Criminals".

Throughout this entire Wikipedia article there is not one mention of the Jewish International and its machinations against Germany in 1916—when Germany had essentially won WWI. There is no mention of the Jewish International's overwhelming power in attendance at the Treaty of Versailles, nor the utter financial thuggery laid upon Germany at that time by the International Banking cartel.

In fact the entire article seems written or edited in such a manner as to completely misrepresent the actual history of this period—a case of the “victors” version of history. The victors being the International Money Powers, and certainly not the average Americans who had been duped into the war on false pretense, loosing many thousands of US soldiers.

This is an instance of Lollipop History taught by the academiacs, and entertainment industry of the Public Relations Regime of Amerika.

June 5, 2011 4:49 PM

And a comment for the editors who I understand don't like the use of Amerika with a 'K'. I use this term to distinquish between America the republic as established by the Declatation of Independence and the Constitution, and Amerika Incorporated, the militarist police state now ruling this country.

June 5, 2011 4:55 PM


You put the issue succinctly: I know not how long Willy Whitten has in fact been commenting at Scragged, but in the last half dozen essays or so, he has been quite prolific indeed. In this particular case, he has nearly doubled the word count of the original essay in question. You also correctly point out that these posts, particularly in this case, are frequently loaded with pointless references and meaningless jargon, perhaps in an attempt to confuse, impress, or obfuscate - and they achieve this because they quickly veer from the point of the essay and make no effort to deal with it or other remarks seriously. With this, he falls back quickly instead upon ad hominem remarks - indicating, as he rightly points out, does not invalidate his remarks necessarily, but at the very least calls them or his ability to defend them into serious question. Such is the nature of trolls. Unfortunately, in this particular instance, Mr FredF, your comments are as a fart in a hurricane.

June 5, 2011 7:21 PM

“..he falls back quickly instead upon ad hominem remarks..”~Bro John

>A total misrepresentation as this one instance of dealing with Werebat is at the VERY END of the thread. Which is full my of points pertaining to “Conspiracy Theory”--the very subject of the story itself. And as you admit yourself is an admissible argument to the man in this instance.

“..pointless references and meaningless jargon, perhaps in an attempt to confuse, impress, or obfuscate..”~Bro John

>Again a general put down making no argument what so ever to anything I actually said.

June 5, 2011 7:35 PM

Your ad hominem doesn't really trouble me, Willy. Me, I rather enjoy skipping the reductio entirely and getting straight to the absurdum.

Stop and ask yourself why you didn't bother responding to my theory point by point in an attempt to actually refute it. Now look at your own theory. In what way does it differ enough that it is exempt from the same treatment, by the same logic?

To me, both look equally like they were written by schizophrenics. And I know schizophrenics -- I grew up with one.

Not attempting an ad hominem of my own there, just making an honest observation. Make of it what you will.

June 5, 2011 7:42 PM

So, tell me Bro John, what do you make of the
Acadian Werewolf bandersnatch posited by Werebat?

Was it not the perfect trap to set me up for charges of ad hominem?
For so how long now everyone has waited to pounce on me for being a "troll".

Not that the fine gentlemen at Scragged would ever use gang tactics agains t a percieved 'outsider' who uses up so much of your precious space and does not fall into the choruses of hallyjamlooloos with the rest of the choir.

June 5, 2011 7:46 PM

"Stop and ask yourself why you didn't bother responding to my theory point by point in an attempt to actually refute it."~Werebat

>Because it is obvious lunacy. If you attempt to take my argument apart point by point, then you would have a point.

Comparing the two postulates is the height of absurdity itself.

And now you admit that you were acting in the decietful manner which I had already determined it was from the beginning.

What did you prove by that? Certainly nothing that reflects on my arguments--but simply that you are a purposeful shill.

June 5, 2011 7:52 PM

@Brother John


Right on the money. Occasionally Scragged sees this - a windbag that's convinced he has to take on every author and commenter personally - and the best thing to do is to simply ignore him.

And 'ad hominem' is never appropriate in any debate. It's a textbook logical fallacy. No surprise that Mr. Willy goes into full defense mode. It's his weapon of choice.

June 5, 2011 7:52 PM

"It's a textbook logical fallacy. No surprise that Mr. Willy goes into full defense mode. It's his weapon of choice."

Go and read up on argumentum Ifon. It is NOT a logical fallacy when it I suggest you read up on argumentum again Ifon. There is no “logical fallacy” involved even in ad hominem, if the charges against the opponent are true.

I accused Werebat of using insincere arguments, and he has confessed to being dishonest.

And yet still, no one hear can address my main arguments, but will now use this weak excuse that, "Mr. Willy goes into full defense mode. It's his weapon of choice."

This is cheap excuse for not making any points to my arguments what so ever,"simply ignore him"--because you have no valid argument to make.

June 5, 2011 8:11 PM

Yes, the format of this frame, without up and down scrolling makes it very difficult to write in this box at times...

And yes I used hear for here...lets get out the spelling police as well.

Aye? Fear and losthing abound here.


June 5, 2011 8:16 PM

And, not content with your spurious attempts to defame me with your empty remarks that have touched on not on thing I have said, you attack Fred for daring to attempt to support and warn me about the goon tactics that take place here:
"Mr FredF, your comments are as a fart in a hurricane."

Yes this will certainly be warning to others in the chorus to beware of crossing party lines here. It is absolutely Stalinist, which is why I suppose no one here is really concerned about the police state that the nation has become--other than whining about TSA "touching our junk"... a little bit late on that one kids. You are already stuck in the mire of fascism here. And as my last post before the sudden appearance of the posse here have begun to awaken to all of this much too late.
Welcome to the New World Order...suckers.

June 5, 2011 8:42 PM

There has been no need to reply, Willy, because you missed the entire point of the article.

Nowhere did I claim that there's no such thing as a conspiracy. Yes, many famous supposed conspiracies of history never existed. Others were real. We may disagree on which is which - but the point of the article was, that is irrelevant.

Believing in a conspiracy, whether or not it's real, is simply an excuse for inaction - on the assumption that the conspiracy is too powerful and wealthy to be successfully opposed by ordinary people. Not true! If you truly believe there's a problem, fight to solve it, regardless of whether you believe there's a conspiracy behind it or it's just ordinary happenstance and human frailty.

Arguing over whether there is or is not a conspiracy in play, accomplishes nothing. In the grand scheme of things, it matters not a whit.

June 5, 2011 9:35 PM


Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain; I do not insult you by remarking as I did that "your comments are as a fart in a hurricane." Willy Whitten has again missed my point, something which he has demonstrated his willingness to do time and again. Your comments I believe were a more diplomatic attempt to point out Willy's to-the-man attacks are a sure sign of his minimal attempt to argue logically. My "hurricane" comment is to illustrate the futility of pointing out such things.

June 5, 2011 10:10 PM

"Believing in a conspiracy, whether or not it's real, is simply an excuse for inaction.."

But Petrarch, this is exactly that which I dispute. There is no possible 'correct' action that can be taken unless it is understood where we stand in correlation to such a systemic conspiracy as the one I posit.

Would the US be at war in the Mid East without the provocation of the 9/11 event?
Certainly not on the terms we now deal with.

If the 'war on terror' is bogus, what then of this panoptic maximum security state to "keep us safe from the terrorists"?

"In the grand scheme of things, it matters not a whit."

Could you possibly say that if the assertions I have made--and can prove are true?

No, I doubt is even you would be so cavalier.

June 5, 2011 10:15 PM

"My "hurricane" comment is to illustrate the futility of pointing out such things."~Bro John

As has been gone over already here--I understood exactly what Fred was saying to me and explained why Werebat needed to be addressed for what was essentially a transparent ruse. His whole act was twaddle. But of course you won't address that.

Whether Fred saw your remarks as I did, or as you now explain yourself is up to Fred to answer.

Regardless, this whole issue of ad hominem being my only instrument of debate is patently absurd if one reads the bulk of my commentary here.

June 5, 2011 10:25 PM

What you miscomprehend Petrarch, is the ongoing systemic nature of the conspiracy I am attempting to describe herein.

I am no talking about little conspiracies of small groups that come and go.
I am speaking to the overarching system that is controled by international finance, the system that has subverted not just the republic, but is in the final stages of establishing a global corporatist feudal dictatorship.

If your imagination cannot grasp such a thing, just let me say that the proof is in the open record and I have attempted to make a start in presneting it here...but like you say--you ignore it.
Ignoring it will only seal your ignorance.

At least I am making an attempt to take "action" in making this information avalilable...regardless of the hostile nature of the responses I get on this site.

June 5, 2011 10:41 PM

I am Acadian, I didn't realize I was a Jewish time-traveling werewolf. lol

June 13, 2011 6:48 PM


Well I'm glad SOMEBODY lolled! It seems like the only people I explain that theory to who end up laughing are Acadians and Jews. WHICH WOULD MEAN...

June 13, 2011 7:04 PM
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